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Copy of post from Ross Forum:

A legal warning has been delivered to Rick Ross concerning his business associate Brian Birmingham. Ross Institute is now being treated as a criminal stalker, under Texas law and in consultation with New Jersey authorities, Ross is being held completely responsible for Brian Birmingham's activities insofar as Birmingham has appeared to be a professional associate or employee of the Rick Ross Institute and the Rick Ross Institute has done nothing to distance itself from or attempt to discourage Birmingham's stalking of individuals and the families of individuals who are private citizens.

Under Texas Law any attempts by Brian Birmingham or any other business associate of Rick Ross including Rick Ross himself will face criminal, not civil, charges if they continue to violate my privacy of family life or church or work life by attempting to contact relatives, church staff, or employers or my own business associates because they have been served with a very clear "cease and desist" warning that Birmingham's actions are unwelcome and he is acting as an associate of Rick Ross Institute with no objections from RRI.

Brian Birmingham has already been the subject of a court order to cease and desist and to publicly apologize for interfering with the family and church life of another woman like myself who was never even a member of Jesus-Christians but who simply made a few internet inquiries and then, like myself, refused to co-operate with Brimingham (and Ross's) vendetta against that group.

What is significant here is that neither one of us were ever Jesus-Christians and also I did catch Birmingham attempting to insinuate himself in Catholic matters and in religious meetings near my family, and in the other woman's case he inserted himself into her Catholic parish to libel her family to her priest.

I am taking further steps to have Brian Birmingham and the Ross Institute fully investigated for possible extortion of money from concerned family members of supposed cult victims, since that is what Birmingham has tried to do with individuals he thought would pay him to "help" them and he is taking retaliation, with Rick Ross's obvious support, against anyone who just blocks his messages the way I did when I thought he was nothing but a nuisance.

What is most interesting is that by his own admission, Brian Birmingham was NEVER a member of the Jesus-Christian cult. He went in there to get publicity for Rick Ross Institute because RRI apparently saw an opportunity to exploit David McKay's desire for publicity for his little sect of street-pamphletting Christians.

Everyone who has had problems with Brian Birmingham or any of his associates at RRI attempting to invade & interfere with their private lives is encouraged to contact the Mercer County attorney's office in New Jersey, especially if you have given the Ross Institute or Brian Birmingham any money or been asked for any money: 609-989-6671

I gave Ross the "Texas warning" and I am sure that, like all Easterners, he is having a good laugh and sharing it with his compadres. Under this law, once you make it very clear to someone that their invasive behavior is unwelcome, if they continue, then you do not have to spend money on a lawyer, you just file a criminal complaint.

Texans respect that law because it works. I can't force Birmingham or Ross to come to Texas (and frankly don't want to, New Jersey can keep'em) but if there is ANY trouble from them, there can be a warrant for their arrest entered into the system.

That can really mess up your plans if you have to drive through a check-point on New Year's Eve, and also, as soon as another person (who would be AT LEAST the fourth who has faced him) files a complaint about him, the history will pop up in the system.

Anyone in Jesus-Christians who attracts Birmingham's attention should file a complaint even if you think that as a Christian you should turn the other cheek because Birmingham does not just target you, he goes after any of your relatives he can find, in order to convince them to "rescue" you, and he gets angry at them if they blow him off.

Within a couple of hours of receiving this warning, the 450-page and growing anti-Jesus Christian thread was removed from that section of the board and I can't find it in any other section. It contained lots of evidence of lies in the course of my conversation with zeuszor and the other two or three posters. I started out completely accepting their accusations about Jesus Christians. But I asked a set of questions that teased out the truth: they do not genuinely believe you are a dangerous cult and they fear anyone with any expertise in separating "evidence" from "opinion" because with such expertise are court cases established.

I am not that kind of expert. I just happen to know how to ask a few key questions and watch the direction of the answers when I believe I am facing a predatory person or group. The zeuszor thread began to feel like just such a group within a few posts of being there.

But the whole Rick Ross Institute is just such a group, with its key element: the dangerous narcissistic leader or leader-wannabe "zeuzsor" running alongside the off-scene controller, Rick Ross, who mysteriously does not exert any control over zeuzsor but attacks zeuszor's critics.

They are feeding off all kinds of innocent people who find that board in its prominent google search position.

I am going to contact a couple of sites every day and ask them to remove their links to the Ross Institute. I saved a copy of the posts proving Brian/zeuszor is a predator and it will take a long time. I have a form letter and whenever I see a site with a link I can paste it into an email and get them to remove that link because of the predatory nature of Rick Ross and his loyal minion, Brian Birmingham.

((Oh darn.... I think I forgot to save the page where I said "You don't want to make this personal with me, Brian!"))

hey lil' rose,
if you go click on the link you posted on the first page of the "a question about trevor" thread.. you'll get to the 450 pages on the anti-site.

you might want to copy it quickly tho maybe.. might not last long..

Godspeed

Thank you. I did that. It will also remain in google-cache for a week to a month. Googling on just about any remembered terms with "zeuszor" will find it.

They have returned the 450-page thread to its original spot.

I can see validity in having a knowledge site which provides information about harmful groups/individuals. And I can also see a point in hearing eye-witness testimony from members of such groups. The main problem I have with the Rick Ross site, however, is that this is not what they are all about. They pick on small, less respected new religious movements who lack the wherewithal to defend themselves with the help of the laws of the land. They don't allow any testimony from individuals who have something positive to say about the accused group. And they operate unethically, distorting the truth beyond proportion in order to prove their case. The site's approach toward promoting 'awareness' is definitely not that of one seeking to find the truth. As such, people would do well to stay as far away from such a site as possible. That is for their own good, as much as anything else.

Good points, Joe.

It is ironic that so many of the unfair accusations people like Rick Ross and his followers use against us (and other NRM's) could be more fairly used against themselves. Authoritarianism, manipulation, control, a lack of transparency... the list is rather long!

Imagine spending one's life trying to find fault? Horrible.

On that note, I'd better get on with mine!

Someone named "jason25" is posting the "Rick Ross's appalling silence" posts from ex-jc'sin the JC thread, so it appears the pre-moderation of posts is off and whoever jason25 is, :smile: thank you for posting Verity's summary of the problem her family had which is echoed in my own strange encounters with Brian.

I think something is going on with the posts. Maybe it is just because RRI is trimming them (from 453 pages down to 449) I am seeing posts I don't remember seeing before, and so the nature of the thread is changing and Brian's image is being cleaned up.

Well, Rossy baby, that's why there is a "Wayback Machine". Not to mention everyone's personal "File-save as" :eek:

Also, over in ex-jc's, there is a warning up that someone is sending around emails apparently using approximations of their names and asking for copies of communications.

All of this is criminal behavior. I am no longer concerned with pursuing these people because I have made the appropriate reports about Birmingham & Ross as above and those will slowly be processed, but the spiralling madness is fascinating. The ex-jc's are having calm, concerned and charitable discussions of how irrational RRI's vendetta has been, the RRI board in general has become almost silent even though there were several highly active threads on other subjects involving a dozen people and none of them were from the JC thread. The silver lining is beginning to shine a little, although I am sad for the loss of good work that was being done on several criminal cults. I hope the reason we don't see work in RRI on them is that the crews working on them are opening up somewhere else.

One of them is an ecstacy-dealing cult out of South Africa that has set up school-tutoring programs in Houston and has followers in several countries. That is the kind of cult Ross is supposed to be targetting. :x

I also think I understand why the Holy Spirit pushed me to stick my nose into this mess. The ;egitimate work we were doing on those criminal cults was lending credibility to the Ross Institute which was enabling Brian's vendetta and most other RRI people were not even aware of it because they often only read the threads that are specific to their cause.

Now that I see the effect, that all these other people are thinking about their own actions and re-evaluating the Ross Institute, I see that the Holy Spirit is indeed at work because that has nothing to do with me and it is a total surprise. God is restoring the balance of Truth.

The legitimate work we were doing on those criminal cults was lending credibility to the Ross Institute
This is an area in which we would probably disagree quite a lot. Obviously, we too would like to see "criminal cults" stopped. However, we would still find no need for the word "cult" at all. We think that criminal behaviour should be stopped (including criminal behaviour by Rick Ross, Craig Hendry, Sheila Johnson, Brian Birmingham, Malcolm Wrest, the Mafia, drug dealers, people into child porn, etc.).

You see, criminal behaviour is so much easier to define than "cultic" behaviour. The Rick Ross Institute has not the least interest in getting criminals arrested. That can be a dangerous line of work. They are, instead, interested in harrassing non-criminal groups that are only guilty of being "different" (though usually "small" and "new" helps, because Rick and co. can more easily slander them and get away with it, creating paranoia simply on the basis that the general public does not know much about them.)

As far as I know, Jason25 is NOT a Jesus Christian. 2006 is when the x-jcs started their campaign against us. Jason25 posted something from the x site. So it makes pretty good sense to assume that Jason 25 is nothing more than another member of the X site, who is involved in this dispute with Brian.

I agree that Brian needs to be stopped, but I will continue to maintain that, as long as Craig continues to operate on the X site (and as long as Nick continues to maintain dictatorial control over everything), they have as much glass in their own house as there is in Brian's, to throw stones at.